So, today I installed the new Inkscape 1.0beta1 for Windows 64 bits, which I downloaded from the official Inkscape website.
2 things happened:
- The file I downloaded was the 64 bits version. But during the install wizard, it automatically pointed to the folder for 32 btis installation, C:\Program Files (x86). - After installing and starting up, the Avast anitvirus scanner told me that this file was malicious: IDP.Generic.
So, my first question is: can I ignore this warning? Second question (less important) Is it a real 64 bit version?
I did upload the file to virustotal.com and it didn't find a threat.
I would be happy to know what your thoughts are about this topic.
Hi Brynn, Thank you very much for your reaction. It was the same 7z package as you used and that reassures me. Avast is infamous for showing this message.
But, if I installed this beautiful new Inkscape and it turned out to be malicious after all... I could probably find help here! 😉
Kirstie. (I haven't downloaded the beta 1 yet.) My thought (as an Avast user too), is to try another free source virus scanner like Malwarebytes, Spybot, etc, and see if tthey detect anything. I'm leaning towards avast hasn't seen much on the inkscape beta and that could be why it got targeted for a warning, but that's just my thought, could be totally wrong. Just curious, did you move the pgm to the usual pgm folder? I can remember that happening to an older version (48 something I think) and inkscape didn't run, kept crashing, but once I moved it it was fine.
Hi Flamingolady, Thank you for your comment. As a matter of fact, I did not install this version in the usual program folder. It is a computer on which I work everyday, so I really need a stable Inkscape, which is 0.92.4 at the moment. The new beta version was for testing and I installed it somewhere on my Data disc, just to try it out.
Maybe I will wait untill I have my testing computer with me again. Someone borowed it, but now it would be nice to have Windows 10 with the sandbox. That is safer for testing. From day to day I use Windows 8, but this is the first time where I wanted it to be W10. :-)
ah, one day I will have to replace this laptop, and I'm not looking forward to win 10, lol, seems like lots of little kinks to work out. Primarily I'm not happy about everything going into the cloud. My hubs already has work issues with the Adobe being in the cloud, every single time the internet goes out he can't complete his work! and we lose our connection a lot. This is going to be a nightmare.
I'm holding off on testing the beta just now, it may just push my computer over the edge, lol.
Hi Maren, Thanks for the suggestion. I work on Linux, Windows and sometimes MacOS. Windows works best in combination with Inkscape and my Wacom drawing tablet, that is the reason why I don't switch completely.
Edit: I now understand that your suggestion was for Flamngolady. And I agree with you that Linux is a very good option to keep oldies alive. No viruswarnings whatsoever, fast booting etc.
ok, I broke down and installed the beta 1 yesterday - didn't get any warnings, thank goodness. Not sure I want to use it though. (off topic) The old problem is back of the Document Properties window being too long for the screen once you click on resize page to content (which I do all the time) - and no scroll bar pops up, so can't get it re-sized, drives me insane. Was an issue in the v 48's. Maren - is that a known issue? or is that a me and win 7 issue again?
Maren, I would go bonkers trying to do the updates and maintaining a free op sys. Also, I haven't entirely figured out the whole Linux thing, but keep seeing posts of people having to do a while lot more work to use inkscape - using gcode or bat files or dos or whatever they are doing. not for me, I really would throw the thing out of the window, lol. I'm hoping against all hope that someone will stop the whole cloud only thing, not to mention we'd have to start paying $15 or so per month for most all programs, what a ripoff, no idea what to do. and I'm totally a windows lover.
You won't have to worry about the cloud with Windows 10. Windows 10 is the last MS operating system that is fully contained on the user's computer. It's after Windows 10 (whatever that next system is going to be called) is when it starts to be shared from the cloud. And look how long you've kept Win 7. If you can tolerate Win10, it may be some years before you have to worry about the cloud.
My problems with Windows 10 were multiple, and not related to the cloud. I could explain, but it's off topic here.
I don't think the updates for Linux would be much different than what we already do for Windows. I mean, it would be different, but probably would not take much more time. I think they either are, or can be done much less often. As far as I understand, you don't HAVE to operate those systems using terminals and codes. You can if you want to, but most of them have buttons and a user interface, like Windows does. I've tried out a few of them briefly, and I'm not too worried about that. Inkscape is ultimately (originally) made for LInux systems, and from what I understand, runs much better there. No special magic needed 🙂
I don't have that problem with Doc Prop on 1.0 beta. The window is much smaller than on 0.92.x. And I'm still on Windows 7 too. If we weren't off topic here, I'd show a screenshot.
Brynn. The hubs uses adobe and has to pay a monthly fee of around $15 already, he hates it - and when the internet is out or the cloud is down, he has absolutely no access to the pgm. That's going to happen more and more, no matter the operating system. I will probably go to win 10 in the next yr.
Now that's weird that you are also using win 7 and your page size is normal. I can't remember what was done to fix that issue.
Hi guys, Today I have send Avast a message about this probably false-positive warning about a virus. I will let you know if they get back to me.
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@Flamingolady.. Yes, Adobe has not made themselves popular with the always-oline and subscription. I did some sums and it costs a fortune when you use several programs and multiply the subscription fee by 10 years. 💶💲💰
Moini may have a better idea. But I would probably make a bug report, and put all that info in it. Do you need info about that? I can't remember if you've done that before.
Whitelisting? I'm sure there's a lot I don't understand about that. But at the moment, so much seems to be wrong with that. For one thing, it sounds like Avast wants other programs to do work which they should be doing. I mean, this doesn't happen with other anti-virus programs. Plus it seems like there might be situations where you would not want to be whitelisted.
@ Brynn: that bug report is a good idea, I did it before... Getting a virus warning when you use an offical dowload from the Inkscape website is a real bottleneck for people to install Inkscape. And there are a lot of Windows users who also have Avast.
@ Maren. I think eveyone's time is worth the same and I already took a lot of effort. I think you lost me on helping out with testing by your remark of 'our developers' time'.
It was not about Avast being happy, but about me trying to install a beta version of Inkscape on my computer, for testing. A virus warning on an official Inkscape download is a big thing, not a small little bug, if it is a true virus.
It's a beta version, and there will probably be more of that. It's ONE antivirus manufacturer. I don't see the point, really.
Why would Inkscape have to invest time to tell other, proprietary software vendors, about their broken software? Next, another one starts warning. So what? Should developers spend their time walking around and appeasing every proprietary snake oil fabricator out there? Or should they rather fix things in Inkscape?
Well, I really like some proprietary software and some of my hardware works best with Windows. Please don't be negative about this software, as it is my daily toolkit.
A virus warning will block people from installing and using Inkscape. If it isn't tackled, it will still be there in the official release of Inkscape. That is what testing on different platforms is all about, isn't it? Not only about the internal functioning of Inkscape, but about everything around it too?
Today I emailed Avast again and this was the reply: The man told me it was a false warning. In Avast you can then add an exception, so the warning will not pop up again.
Hopefully they will change something in their system, but I cannot do that.
Thank you all for the time. I hope other Inkscape/Windows/Avast users will be helped by this topic.
I'll be negative about proprietary software as much as I like, why would I need to keep my mouth shut about this because it is your daily toolkit? There is no correlation between those two things.
You are entitled to your own opinions, just as I am to mine.
Glad you found a solution that works for you!
(and: almost every unknown program that Avast users haven't seen yet will trigger that warning... do you expect every software manufacturer out there to go to their website and register their program and all subversions and beta releases of that with them?)
While I agree that Avast should probably do this work for themselves, rather than ask other programs to contact them about it; I still think it's also a good idea to discuss this issue in the forum, for at least a couple of reasons.
I think developers should be made aware of this, even if they have the same opinion as Maren - they should at least know about it
The group of people who answer questions in the forum need to know this, so they know how to answer when other users post the same question
Other Avast users need to know about this
I'm not sure what the dispute is, about proprietary software. Avast is open source! (Edit - well, at least partly)
Just as a reminder, the general rule in this forum is politeness and kindness. If someone wants to rant about something, they should title a new message to that effect, so that visitors can avoid it, if they don't want to see it.
As you may already know, 'IDP.Generic' refers to a file which appears to exhibit the same behavior as known malware. AVG say that the first step is to ensure that your anti-virus software and definitions are fully updated then perform a threat scan. If the problem persists, contact AVG with the full details or try a solution here https://www.devicetricks.com/what-is-idp-generic-is-it-a-virus-or-false-positive/
Hi Ronald, Yes, the virusdatabase was complete and I contacted the makers of the program too. They scanned the install packet and said it was fine.
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I have found a part of the installing process, that had to be done differently from what I did the first time. The 7-zip file has to be unzipped to a folder. But you have to run 7-zip as an administrator. By using the context menu of 7-zip (right click > unpack) it was unpacked without admin rights. This is what I did apparently.
Usually when you install an exe file, Windows asks if it is ok to install as admin, and you just click OK. But by just running 7-zip, it was not done with administrator's rights. Then parts were not installed, such as the new tracing options. And Avast gave virus warnings.
Today I re-tried, thanks to your reviving this topic, and this time I explicitely opened 7-zip as administrator. Now Avast did not protest. And more new Inkscape features appeared too. So I think I will give my answer here a green check, as my questions are solved.
Beginners' Questions Virus warning after installing Ikscape 1.0.2
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So, today I installed the new Inkscape 1.0beta1 for Windows 64 bits, which I downloaded from the official Inkscape website.
2 things happened:
- The file I downloaded was the 64 bits version. But during the install wizard, it automatically pointed to the folder for 32 btis installation, C:\Program Files (x86).
- After installing and starting up, the Avast anitvirus scanner told me that this file was malicious: IDP.Generic.
So, my first question is: can I ignore this warning?
Second question (less important) Is it a real 64 bit version?
I did upload the file to virustotal.com and it didn't find a threat.
I would be happy to know what your thoughts are about this topic.
I also got the 64 bit version for Windows of 1.0 beta. But I got the 7z package. I have not had any security alerts about it (ESET).
My best guess is that you can ignore it. But I would want a developer to have a look, just to be sure.
Hi Brynn,
Thank you very much for your reaction. It was the same 7z package as you used and that reassures me.
Avast is infamous for showing this message.
But, if I installed this beautiful new Inkscape and it turned out to be malicious after all...
I could probably find help here! 😉
Kirstie. (I haven't downloaded the beta 1 yet.) My thought (as an Avast user too), is to try another free source virus scanner like Malwarebytes, Spybot, etc, and see if tthey detect anything. I'm leaning towards avast hasn't seen much on the inkscape beta and that could be why it got targeted for a warning, but that's just my thought, could be totally wrong. Just curious, did you move the pgm to the usual pgm folder? I can remember that happening to an older version (48 something I think) and inkscape didn't run, kept crashing, but once I moved it it was fine.
Hi Flamingolady,
Thank you for your comment.
As a matter of fact, I did not install this version in the usual program folder.
It is a computer on which I work everyday, so I really need a stable Inkscape, which is 0.92.4 at the moment.
The new beta version was for testing and I installed it somewhere on my Data disc, just to try it out.
Maybe I will wait untill I have my testing computer with me again.
Someone borowed it, but now it would be nice to have Windows 10 with the sandbox.
That is safer for testing.
From day to day I use Windows 8, but this is the first time where I wanted it to be W10. :-)
ah, one day I will have to replace this laptop, and I'm not looking forward to win 10, lol, seems like lots of little kinks to work out. Primarily I'm not happy about everything going into the cloud. My hubs already has work issues with the Adobe being in the cloud, every single time the internet goes out he can't complete his work! and we lose our connection a lot. This is going to be a nightmare.
I'm holding off on testing the beta just now, it may just push my computer over the edge, lol.
Instead of killing your computer, you might want to switch to a free operating system.
Hi Maren,
Thanks for the suggestion. I work on Linux, Windows and sometimes MacOS.
Windows works best in combination with Inkscape and my Wacom drawing tablet, that is the reason why I don't switch completely.
Edit: I now understand that your suggestion was for Flamngolady. And I agree with you that Linux is a very good option to keep oldies alive. No viruswarnings whatsoever, fast booting etc.
ok, I broke down and installed the beta 1 yesterday - didn't get any warnings, thank goodness. Not sure I want to use it though. (off topic) The old problem is back of the Document Properties window being too long for the screen once you click on resize page to content (which I do all the time) - and no scroll bar pops up, so can't get it re-sized, drives me insane. Was an issue in the v 48's. Maren - is that a known issue? or is that a me and win 7 issue again?
Maren, I would go bonkers trying to do the updates and maintaining a free op sys. Also, I haven't entirely figured out the whole Linux thing, but keep seeing posts of people having to do a while lot more work to use inkscape - using gcode or bat files or dos or whatever they are doing. not for me, I really would throw the thing out of the window, lol. I'm hoping against all hope that someone will stop the whole cloud only thing, not to mention we'd have to start paying $15 or so per month for most all programs, what a ripoff, no idea what to do. and I'm totally a windows lover.
Why would you have to start paying $15 per month?
You won't have to worry about the cloud with Windows 10. Windows 10 is the last MS operating system that is fully contained on the user's computer. It's after Windows 10 (whatever that next system is going to be called) is when it starts to be shared from the cloud. And look how long you've kept Win 7. If you can tolerate Win10, it may be some years before you have to worry about the cloud.
My problems with Windows 10 were multiple, and not related to the cloud. I could explain, but it's off topic here.
I don't think the updates for Linux would be much different than what we already do for Windows. I mean, it would be different, but probably would not take much more time. I think they either are, or can be done much less often. As far as I understand, you don't HAVE to operate those systems using terminals and codes. You can if you want to, but most of them have buttons and a user interface, like Windows does. I've tried out a few of them briefly, and I'm not too worried about that. Inkscape is ultimately (originally) made for LInux systems, and from what I understand, runs much better there. No special magic needed 🙂
I don't have that problem with Doc Prop on 1.0 beta. The window is much smaller than on 0.92.x. And I'm still on Windows 7 too. If we weren't off topic here, I'd show a screenshot.
Brynn. The hubs uses adobe and has to pay a monthly fee of around $15 already, he hates it - and when the internet is out or the cloud is down, he has absolutely no access to the pgm. That's going to happen more and more, no matter the operating system. I will probably go to win 10 in the next yr.
Now that's weird that you are also using win 7 and your page size is normal. I can't remember what was done to fix that issue.
Hi guys,
Today I have send Avast a message about this probably false-positive warning about a virus.
I will let you know if they get back to me.
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@Flamingolady.. Yes, Adobe has not made themselves popular with the always-oline and subscription.
I did some sums and it costs a fortune when you use several programs and multiply the subscription fee by 10 years.
💶 💲💰
So, Avast got back to me. They have this whitelisting procedure for software. But that is for developers only.
Form: https://www.avast.com/whitelist-program-registration
Explanation: https://support.avast.com/en-ww/article/229/
So that is not me, what should I do now?
Moini may have a better idea. But I would probably make a bug report, and put all that info in it. Do you need info about that? I can't remember if you've done that before.
Whitelisting? I'm sure there's a lot I don't understand about that. But at the moment, so much seems to be wrong with that. For one thing, it sounds like Avast wants other programs to do work which they should be doing. I mean, this doesn't happen with other anti-virus programs. Plus it seems like there might be situations where you would not want to be whitelisted.
Do nothing. It's not worth our developers' time to make an Antivirus shop happy for each beta version.
Personally, I hope one day users will understand that Antivirus doesn't make them safer, and that there are better ways.
Hi everyone,
@ Brynn: that bug report is a good idea, I did it before...
Getting a virus warning when you use an offical dowload from the Inkscape website is a real bottleneck for people to install Inkscape.
And there are a lot of Windows users who also have Avast.
@ Maren. I think eveyone's time is worth the same and I already took a lot of effort.
I think you lost me on helping out with testing by your remark of 'our developers' time'.
It was not about Avast being happy, but about me trying to install a beta version of Inkscape on my computer, for testing.
A virus warning on an official Inkscape download is a big thing, not a small little bug, if it is a true virus.
It's a beta version, and there will probably be more of that. It's ONE antivirus manufacturer. I don't see the point, really.
Why would Inkscape have to invest time to tell other, proprietary software vendors, about their broken software? Next, another one starts warning. So what? Should developers spend their time walking around and appeasing every proprietary snake oil fabricator out there? Or should they rather fix things in Inkscape?
Anyway, did you do the suggested checking in other antivirus software, Kirstie? You yourself said it's probably a false alert.
Edit: Virustotal found nothing, you wrote... So why care at all?
Well, I really like some proprietary software and some of my hardware works best with Windows. Please don't be negative about this software, as it is my daily toolkit.
A virus warning will block people from installing and using Inkscape. If it isn't tackled, it will still be there in the official release of Inkscape. That is what testing on different platforms is all about, isn't it? Not only about the internal functioning of Inkscape, but about everything around it too?
Today I emailed Avast again and this was the reply:
The man told me it was a false warning. In Avast you can then add an exception, so the warning will not pop up again.
Hopefully they will change something in their system, but I cannot do that.
Thank you all for the time. I hope other Inkscape/Windows/Avast users will be helped by this topic.
I'll be negative about proprietary software as much as I like, why would I need to keep my mouth shut about this because it is your daily toolkit? There is no correlation between those two things.
You are entitled to your own opinions, just as I am to mine.
Glad you found a solution that works for you!
(and: almost every unknown program that Avast users haven't seen yet will trigger that warning... do you expect every software manufacturer out there to go to their website and register their program and all subversions and beta releases of that with them?)
Well Maren,
You sure know how to discourage people from posting and being an active member on this forum.
Bye bye.
While I agree that Avast should probably do this work for themselves, rather than ask other programs to contact them about it; I still think it's also a good idea to discuss this issue in the forum, for at least a couple of reasons.
I'm not sure what the dispute is, about proprietary software. Avast is open source! (Edit - well, at least partly)
Just as a reminder, the general rule in this forum is politeness and kindness. If someone wants to rant about something, they should title a new message to that effect, so that visitors can avoid it, if they don't want to see it.
I have asked Patrick about this, and he did share my opinion that it's not a good use of developer time to report all beta versions to third-parties.
As you may already know, 'IDP.Generic' refers to a file which appears to exhibit the same behavior as known malware. AVG say that the first step is to ensure that your anti-virus software and definitions are fully updated then perform a threat scan. If the problem persists, contact AVG with the full details or try a solution here https://www.devicetricks.com/what-is-idp-generic-is-it-a-virus-or-false-positive/
Hi Ronald, Yes, the virusdatabase was complete and I contacted the makers of the program too. They scanned the install packet and said it was fine.
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I have found a part of the installing process, that had to be done differently from what I did the first time. The 7-zip file has to be unzipped to a folder. But you have to run 7-zip as an administrator.
By using the context menu of 7-zip (right click > unpack) it was unpacked without admin rights. This is what I did apparently.
Usually when you install an exe file, Windows asks if it is ok to install as admin, and you just click OK. But by just running 7-zip, it was not done with administrator's rights.
Then parts were not installed, such as the new tracing options. And Avast gave virus warnings.
Today I re-tried, thanks to your reviving this topic, and this time I explicitely opened 7-zip as administrator. Now Avast did not protest. And more new Inkscape features appeared too.
So I think I will give my answer here a green check, as my questions are solved.
JFYI: https://www.ghacks.net/2019/12/03/mozilla-removes-all-avast-firefox-extensions/
Is this still a problem? I am workin with a group of people and we were goin to use inkscape
If you are downloading directly from Inkscape.org, it is not a problem and the installation is safe to use.
Note that Inkscape 1.0.2 doesn't even exist yet.