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  1. Oct 06 09:35:51 <Mc> I'm going back from work so I may be a few minutes late for the meeting
  2. Oct 06 09:41:35 <bryce_> Tavmjong, ok thanks. There was just one thing I wanted to ask for your help with
  3. Oct 06 09:42:04 <bryce_> Tavmjong, actually more of a devel task than board
  4. Oct 06 09:43:11 <bryce_> Tavmjong, looking forward a bit to the next release 0.93, I know there's some remaining stuff relating to the gtk3 transition
  5. Oct 06 09:43:45 <bryce_> Tavmjong, could you work on gathering a task list of stuff that needs done for 0.93 to get us ready for a release?
  6. Oct 06 10:01:49 <bryce_> == Board Meeting ==
  7. Oct 06 10:01:58 <bryce_> Hi all!
  8. Oct 06 10:02:04 <bryce_>
  9. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> Agenda:
  10. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Welcome new Board Members
  11. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Officer positions?
  12. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Board election debrief
  13. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Infrastructure backup/alternate hosting
  14. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Sponsor acceptance policy
  15. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Preliminary preparations for 0.93
  16. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + 2017 Budget
  17. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Merchandise sales
  18. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Funded development
  19. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Hackfests - Boston, Spain/LGM
  20. Oct 06 10:02:10 <bryce_> + Other Business
  21. Oct 06 10:02:12 <bryce_>
  22. Oct 06 10:02:12 <tedg> HI BRYCE!
  23. Oct 06 10:02:19 <Lazur> Hey!
  24. Oct 06 10:02:44 <bryce_> hi tedg! glad you made it
  25. Oct 06 10:02:57 <bryce_> do we have Mc and CRogers joining us today?
  26. Oct 06 10:03:10 <tedg> Yeah, tried to come last month but couldn't get the wifi on the plane to work :-(
  27. Oct 06 10:03:47 <bryce_> tedg, ah yeah I doubt I'd be able to get that working myself
  28. Oct 06 10:05:11 <bryce_> so was hoping we could all welcome Mc and CRogers but maybe they'll make an appearance later
  29. Oct 06 10:05:20 <tedg> I've used it before, and it's been fine. But the captured portals are getting harder and harder to use as the browsers are upping the SSL standards they expect.
  30. Oct 06 10:05:33 <tedg> We can welcome them in the minutes :-)
  31. Oct 06 10:05:44 <bryce_> welcome Mc and CR!
  32. Oct 06 10:06:06 <bryce_> it's good to have the board refilled, and I'm looking forward to what we'll be able to get done.
  33. Oct 06 10:06:31 <bryce_> tedg, maybe it's just you and me today!
  34. Oct 06 10:06:35 <bryce_> and Lazur :-)
  35. Oct 06 10:06:50 <prkos> and /me lurking
  36. Oct 06 10:07:00 <bryce_> oh, in scrollback Mc says he's coming in late due to work commute
  37. Oct 06 10:07:00 <tedg> Yup, I vote we decide to move the entire project to Github if doctormon doesn't show up ;-)
  38. Oct 06 10:07:07 <bryce_> haha
  39. Oct 06 10:07:46 <bryce_> I'll jump forward a bit in the agenda
  40. Oct 06 10:07:52 <bryce_> === Board election debrief ===
  41. Oct 06 10:08:16 <bryce_> speaking of martin, I wanted to thank him for all the work he did on the new system
  42. Oct 06 10:09:19 <bryce_> with the election done, we should gather people's thoughts on what went well, what could be done better, etc.
  43. Oct 06 10:09:28 <bryce_> thoughts and comments?
  44. Oct 06 10:09:49 <jabiertxof_> I just thinking the same 1 hour before
  45. Oct 06 10:10:05 <tedg> I for one didn't realize we had to register in a new system... so I think we need to make sure announcements (and followups) go to the mailing list.
  46. Oct 06 10:10:26 <tedg> I think the board elections are important enough for some spam.
  47. Oct 06 10:11:14 <bryce_> tedg, yeah true
  48. Oct 06 10:12:31 <tedg> Something I'd like to figure out, and it's probably better a discussion at a hackfest is how we get non-developers to vote.
  49. Oct 06 10:12:51 <Moini> +1
  50. Oct 06 10:12:56 <tedg> We've got a simple system now, but I'd like to get the doc folks and the vectors team feeling like they're more part of it.
  51. Oct 06 10:13:04 <bryce_> tedg, do you mean to vote, or to run for the board?
  52. Oct 06 10:13:11 <tedg> Yes :-)
  53. Oct 06 10:13:14 <bryce_> tedg, yeah agreed
  54. Oct 06 10:13:52 <bryce_> getting more nominations in, etc.
  55. Oct 06 10:14:12 <bryce_> tedg, do you happen to remember how long our nomination period was last time?
  56. Oct 06 10:14:25 <tedg> Not off hand.
  57. Oct 06 10:14:37 <bryce_> hmm
  58. Oct 06 10:14:55 <tedg> Isn't that in the doc you wrote?
  59. Oct 06 10:15:06 <bryce_> ah I should check
  60. Oct 06 10:15:32 <tedg> Oh, we should move the board stuff to Gitlab :-)
  61. Oct 06 10:15:44 <Moini> (Voting was 2 weeks.)
  62. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> Election Schedule
  63. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> =================
  64. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> * Kickoff Announcement: ${date}
  65. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> + Post to inkscape-announce@
  66. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> + Publish news item to website
  67. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> * Candidacy period Start: ${date}
  68. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> * Candidacy period End: ${date + 2 weeks} (08:00 UTC)
  69. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> * Publication of Candidates
  70. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> & start of Candidate Q&A: ${date + 2 weeks}
  71. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> * Election Start: ${date + 2 weeks}
  72. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> * Election End: ${date + 2 weeks + 2 weeks} (08:00 UTC)
  73. Oct 06 10:16:03 <bryce_> * Results Posted: ${date + 2 weeks + 2 weeks + 2 days}
  74. Oct 06 10:16:48 <tedg> We really need some intermediate variables there.
  75. Oct 06 10:16:54 <bryce_> haha
  76. Oct 06 10:17:20 <Moini> Nominations were until Aug, 15th last time
  77. Oct 06 10:17:30 <Moini> 18th, sorry
  78. Oct 06 10:17:47 <bryce_> well I'm wondering if increasing the nomination period might enable us to solicit a broader range of people, I know people need time to mull things over before accepting nominations too
  79. Oct 06 10:18:37 <tedg> Or perhaps an: "Announcement of current nominations" at ${date + 1wk}
  80. Oct 06 10:19:03 <tedg> Just to make people see there is no one running and/or someone they don't want to win as the only candidate :-)
  81. Oct 06 10:20:09 <Moini> call for candidates was August 5th.
  82. Oct 06 10:20:32 <bryce_> Moini, ok cool, so it was the required period, good
  83. Oct 06 10:21:03 <bryce_> maybe because I was out of town for a week it felt shorter.
  84. Oct 06 10:21:39 <bryce_> reading my procedure, I notice it says, "Alternatively, any Official Member may nominate another Official Member." but that leaves it ambiguous whether someone can nominate multiple people, or just one nomination per person.
  85. Oct 06 10:22:25 <tedg> Feel free to hotfix that
  86. Oct 06 10:22:31 <Moini> We had allowed for multiple invitations last time (but there weren't so many, either)
  87. Oct 06 10:22:55 <tedg> We need to make being on the Inkscape board more glamorous.
  88. Oct 06 10:23:39 <bryce_> tedg, would you mind reading through the election_procedure.txt yourself and see if you spot any other stuff like that, that we should clarify? I'd like to capture whatever edits we can make to improve it and do a vote on revving it
  89. Oct 06 10:23:49 * Mc is here
  90. Oct 06 10:23:52 <Mc> sorry for the delay
  91. Oct 06 10:24:00 <tedg> bryce_: Sure I can do that.
  92. Oct 06 10:24:07 <bryce_> hopefully it'll be a long time until the next board election, but would be nice to capture our good ideas based on this one
  93. Oct 06 10:24:08 <tedg> What do you think about moving all that to Gitlab?
  94. Oct 06 10:24:10 <bryce_> tedg, thanks
  95. Oct 06 10:24:16 <tedg> Then we can do it as a PR.
  96. Oct 06 10:24:16 <bryce_> tedg, definitely good idea, yes
  97. Oct 06 10:24:21 <bryce_> Mc, welcome!
  98. Oct 06 10:24:35 <tedg> Might be nice to switch to markdown as well...
  99. Oct 06 10:24:45 <bryce_> Mc, and welcome to the board! Looking forward to your involvement. :-)
  100. Oct 06 10:24:50 <bryce_> tedg, agreed
  101. Oct 06 10:25:17 <Mc> thanks :)
  102. Oct 06 10:25:18 <bryce_> tedg, in fact if you feel a gumption to reformat any of the stuff there, go right ahead, that's been on my todo list for ages
  103. Oct 06 10:25:37 <tedg> I'll migrate first, we'll see how excited I get.
  104. Oct 06 10:25:43 <bryce_> nothing depends on the current text formatting, so nothing is gonna break
  105. Oct 06 10:25:54 <bryce_> ok cool, moving on
  106. Oct 06 10:26:07 <bryce_> === Infrastructure backup/alternate hosting ===
  107. Oct 06 10:26:14 * tedg wonders if bryce_ would break having to do markdown ;-)
  108. Oct 06 10:26:15 <bryce_> I am going to be sending out a request for hosting sponsorship
  109. Oct 06 10:26:33 <bryce_> tedg, nah I do markdown for plenty of other stuff, I'm good
  110. Oct 06 10:27:54 <bryce_> tedg, I've wanted to get the visibility of our votes improved, and having them in markdown gives some options for achieving that :-)
  111. Oct 06 10:28:30 <tedg> Haha, okay. We can use unicode ✅ too!
  112. Oct 06 10:28:58 <Mc> 👍
  113. Oct 06 10:29:04 <bryce_> anyway, on topic of hosting, I'm pretty much ready to send out the solicitation but wondered if you guys think I should solicit more input first?
  114. Oct 06 10:30:02 <tedg> No, I think it's good.
  115. Oct 06 10:30:22 <bryce_> alright, thanks. I'll try and push it out this weekend then.
  116. Oct 06 10:30:48 <bryce_> I debated about posting to inkscape-devel@ but it feels like something too easily bikeshedded
  117. Oct 06 10:31:10 <bryce_> ok, jumping ahead a bit more in the agenda...
  118. Oct 06 10:31:16 <bryce_> === 2017 Budget ===
  119. Oct 06 10:31:33 <bryce_> I >finally< got around to this, worked on it all night last night in fact
  120. Oct 06 10:31:49 <doctormon> Does anyone have a log I can catch up on?
  121. Oct 06 10:31:57 <Mc> doctormon: yes, 2s
  122. Oct 06 10:32:00 <bryce_> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dVTAA_1LF7HyuJdK2paE_kudUAb4edL7AIYctPHMJOA/edit#gid=744628988
  123. Oct 06 10:32:06 * doctormon thanks Moini for the reminder email
  124. Oct 06 10:32:35 <tedg> bryce_: Make it read only for everyone with link?
  125. Oct 06 10:32:37 <bryce_> I don't know if this is publically visible or you need an invite, but if the latter I'll add anyone that wants to look
  126. Oct 06 10:32:46 <Mc> doctormon: https://paste.fulltxt.net/Ko9:a4-VoR
  127. Oct 06 10:32:51 <Moini> You're welcome, doctormon.
  128. Oct 06 10:32:52 <doctormon> bryce_: Just sent an invite request
  129. Oct 06 10:33:17 <Mc> bryce_: not public (request sent)
  130. Oct 06 10:33:40 <bryce_> ah rats, I don't actually own it
  131. Oct 06 10:33:55 <bryce_> ok, hmm, I'll figure out something post meeting and email it to the board list
  132. Oct 06 10:34:32 <bryce_> meanwhile -- http://picpaste.com/budget.png
  133. Oct 06 10:34:37 <Mc> Donna Benjamin granted me access just right now
  134. Oct 06 10:34:51 <bryce_> ok great
  135. Oct 06 10:35:00 <Mc> (FSF ?)
  136. Oct 06 10:35:06 <Mc> SFC*
  137. Oct 06 10:35:25 <bryce_> so, I restructured things to hopefully be a bit clearer; last year's budget was complicated even for me to figure out
  138. Oct 06 10:36:02 <bryce_> still learning about ledger, there's always surprises hidden there ;-)
  139. Oct 06 10:36:12 <Mc> wow, we doubled our budget
  140. Oct 06 10:36:43 <bryce_> I think I'm also coming to learn that a spreadsheet is not really a good way to manage this data. Ledger's numbers are a bit too fluid...
  141. Oct 06 10:36:51 <bryce_> anyway yes! the numbers look really good
  142. Oct 06 10:37:39 <bryce_> do the 2017 hackfest numbers look correct? Only $1500 total?
  143. Oct 06 10:38:02 <bryce_> I want to doublecheck that but on first glance it looked like it included everything
  144. Oct 06 10:38:07 <tedg> Hmm, that seems low...
  145. Oct 06 10:38:11 <Mc> I don't know, I asked 0, but this seems low
  146. Oct 06 10:38:33 <bryce_> ok, yeah it looked low to me too
  147. Oct 06 10:39:08 <bryce_> sometimes expenses get mislabeled in ledger, so guess I need to poke around
  148. Oct 06 10:39:40 <bryce_> so take these numbers as a bit preliminary
  149. Oct 06 10:40:15 <Mc> non-french people were doctormon (plane from USA), CR (0), alex(came from UK) so travel cost should be low, but the hotel cost should not be that low
  150. Oct 06 10:41:36 <bryce_> the budget doubling is due to the $10k sponsor we got this year :-)
  151. Oct 06 10:42:19 <bryce_> so, apart from getting the tallies correct, part of the budgeting process is to allocate money to various buckets
  152. Oct 06 10:42:31 <Mc> we should look for more like this sponsor :p
  153. Oct 06 10:42:32 <bryce_> these are the columns hackfest, svg wg's, etc.
  154. Oct 06 10:42:39 <bryce_> Mc, agreed :-)
  155. Oct 06 10:42:59 <doctormon> Mc: doctomon was 0, he didn't claim anything.
  156. Oct 06 10:43:04 <bryce_> for 2017, I'm considering basically just re-proposing the same numbers as we did in 2016
  157. Oct 06 10:43:16 <Mc> bryce_: ok, so it's normal that the amount is low
  158. Oct 06 10:43:22 <bryce_> but I wanted to get your guys' thoughts and input
  159. Oct 06 10:43:36 <bryce_> and if there are any other expenses or buckets I should account for?
  160. Oct 06 10:43:55 <bryce_> also, keep in mind our fiscal year goes until March 1st
  161. Oct 06 10:44:04 <Mc> is there a column for the gsoc allocation ?
  162. Oct 06 10:44:32 <tedg> No, I mean, I don't think we should readjust the hackfest number even if this one was low. We can't expect that.
  163. Oct 06 10:44:33 <Mc> iirc they give ~2200$ to cover travel expenses to mentor summit
  164. Oct 06 10:44:39 <bryce_> Mc, do you mean the sponsorships that Google pays? No, those are handled separately and the money doesn't pass through our accounts
  165. Oct 06 10:44:56 <Mc> not the sponsorships to the students
  166. Oct 06 10:45:45 <bryce_> Mc, ah. Yeah if those funds do go through us, that's a good idea to add as another bucket
  167. Oct 06 10:46:02 <bryce_> I'll poke through ledger and see if those amounts showed up
  168. Oct 06 10:46:22 <bryce_>
  169. Oct 06 10:46:49 <bryce_> also, one of our funded projects is the removal of GList/GSList, which Mc kindly reported is now completed.
  170. Oct 06 10:47:27 <bryce_> I'd like to propose that we allocate an additional $250 to the open projects, which would bring that project to $750, and pay Mc for completion of that project.
  171. Oct 06 10:47:55 <bryce_> I'll post a vote for this, but wanted to see if that sounds okay?
  172. Oct 06 10:47:58 * Mc has a conflict of interest and cannot vote on that ^^
  173. Oct 06 10:48:17 <bryce_> yeah, was just going to say you can recuse yourself from this one :-)
  174. Oct 06 10:48:46 <Mc> so the numbers on "allocation" line of 2017 are just a proposal ?
  175. Oct 06 10:48:58 <bryce_> Mc, correct
  176. Oct 06 10:49:08 <doctormon> I'll also recuse myself. I don't believe in the project funding system and shouldn't vote on it.
  177. Oct 06 10:49:27 <bryce_> I haven't proposed a budget yet for 2017 (I'm extremely slow on that task this year) so those are the numbers I'm going to be proposing soon
  178. Oct 06 10:50:38 <tedg> +1 on the vote, not sure it's needed
  179. Oct 06 10:50:45 <tedg> (the +1, not the vote)
  180. Oct 06 10:51:43 <Tavmjong> Just here for a couple of minutes... the cost of the hackfest was low.. just Alex and I asked for reimbursements I think.
  181. Oct 06 10:52:09 <Tavmjong> +1 for giving Mc the GSList money.
  182. Oct 06 10:52:18 <bryce_> alright, we're getting towards the hour.
  183. Oct 06 10:52:56 <bryce_> === Other Business ===
  184. Oct 06 10:52:59 <Tavmjong> bryce_: GTK3 summary of work that needs to done might be best done by Alex with help from su_v.
  185. Oct 06 10:53:18 <bryce_> anyone want to talk about any other items on the agenda we didn't get to, or other topics?
  186. Oct 06 10:53:46 <bryce_> Tavmjong, would you be willing to work with them on that? I definitely agree they'd be good resources.
  187. Oct 06 10:53:51 <Tavmjong> doctormon: Any news on a hackfest in Boston?
  188. Oct 06 10:53:54 <Tavmjong> bryce_: Yes.
  189. Oct 06 10:54:00 <bryce_> Tavmjong, thanks.
  190. Oct 06 10:54:06 <Lazur> custom svg filters
  191. Oct 06 10:54:08 <doctormon> Tavmjong: No response from the second email. I'm planning a third email.
  192. Oct 06 10:54:51 <Lazur> how to host them/mirror in the gallery
  193. Oct 06 10:54:54 <Tavmjong> LGM will be in Sevilla Spain this year. Might be a site for a mini hackfest. I don't know the dates yet.
  194. Oct 06 10:55:18 <Moini> Next year?
  195. Oct 06 10:55:27 <Tavmjong> Moini: 2018.
  196. Oct 06 10:55:40 <Tavmjong> .... oops.
  197. Oct 06 10:55:41 <Lazur> any ideas how to achieve a better "drag and drop" install of custom filters
  198. Oct 06 10:56:13 <Lazur> how to go on with the filtering cookbook
  199. Oct 06 10:56:39 <Mc> bryce_: «Ideally», gtk3 work needs → refactoring of all the ui from C code to gtkmm classes → refactoring of custom actions and verbs to Gio::Action → Conversion of UI from code to glade files wherever possible (and fixing the few stuff) → some minor css fixes → lots of testing on various systems (osx, windows) and with various hardware (hidpi screen, drawing tablets)
  200. Oct 06 10:56:57 <Tavmjong> Lazur: Might be good ideal to simple put them in a standard file that can demonstrate their usefulness.
  201. Oct 06 10:57:34 <Tavmjong> bryce_: Also we need to get icons working properly (theming).
  202. Oct 06 10:58:15 <Lazur> https://openclipart.org/collection/collection-detail/Lazur%20URH/10406?page=1
  203. Oct 06 10:58:26 <bryce_> Tavmjong, ok, build up a list. Might be useful to identify what can be pushed to post 0.93, vs. what items would be dealbreakers if we shipped without addressing them
  204. Oct 06 10:58:29 <Tavmjong> bryce_: Mc I don't think all that work needs to be done before 0.93.
  205. Oct 06 10:58:43 <Lazur> have a few thousand custom filters, can't effectively organise them
  206. Oct 06 10:59:16 <Tavmjong> Got to go...
  207. Oct 06 10:59:25 <bryce_> Tavmjong, thanks
  208. Oct 06 10:59:31 <bryce_> ok anything else, or shall we close?
  209. Oct 06 10:59:39 <Mc> if we market .93 as "the release using gtk3" but it cant be well themed like gtk3 apps, it might bring some disappointment i think
  210. Oct 06 10:59:42 <Lazur> https://openclipart.org/detail/270604/stone-filter-megapack
  211. Oct 06 11:00:17 <bryce_> == End of Meeting ==
  212. Oct 06 11:00:53 <tedg> Thanks folks!
  213. Oct 06 11:01:26 <Mc> Lazur: something like with symbols, markers or extensions that would make them appear in the list ?
  214. Oct 06 11:02:22 <Lazur> "something like"
  215. Oct 06 11:02:55 <Lazur> is there a better way to discuss gui ideas?
  216. Oct 06 11:03:21 <Mc> but you can already do that iirc
  217. Oct 06 11:03:42 <doctormon> We also need to fix menus for gtk3 versions available on Ubuntu 16.04, https://inkscape.org/en/~doctormo/%E2%98%85screenshot-from-2017-10-06-13-59-33
  218. Oct 06 11:03:43 <Mc> putting them in .config/inkscape/filters
  219. Oct 06 11:08:15 <Mc> (Lazur: also, see /usr/share/inkscape/filters/README )
  220. Oct 06 11:12:31 <jabiertxof_> bye all
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